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MSI 785GM-E51 Vs ECS A785GM-M, ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO & Gigabyte GA-MA785GPM-UD2H	Category: Motherboard
Added: 27 October 2009
A familiar blue and black color scheme is used on a brown PCB, which is typical of MSI's recent motherboards. The MSI 785GM-E51 is an AM3 board sporting DDR3 memory slots, so only the newer AM3 processors are compatible since these CPUs have the integrated DDR3 memory controller. The standard four DIMM slots support up to 16GB of memory, with a maximum speed of 1600MHz (via overclocking of course). This memory speed is reflected in the memory settings in the BIOS .

MSI 785GM-E65 Motherboard and AMD 785G Chipset Review	Category: Motherboard
Added: 19 October 2009
AMD is back in the mainstream. Only a short while ago saw the launch of its completely redesigned Athlon II processor line, a value-oriented CPU, while its ATI 40nm Radeon HD 4770 videocard has tuned out to be one of the best value-for-money mainstream graphics cards. AMD's latest mainstream integrated graphics chipset is the AMD 785G and Radeon HD 4200 IGP. The AMD 785G and its Radeon HD 4200 are the first with DirectX 10.1 compliance for Microsoft Windows 7 operating system, and include enhanced features like ATI Stream application acceleration and improved Universal Video Decoding 2. MSI 's 785GM-E65 motherboard is built around the AMD 785G and SB710 chipsets, and features 128MB integrated DDR3 SidePort memory. MSI has adapted the AMD 785G chipset into a micro-ATX form factor, an ideal size for small home and office computers, and best of all Home Theatre PCs. The MSI 785GM-E65 is a socket AM3 motherboard, which means it's compatible with AMD's newest processors like the Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition and the Athlon II X2 250 . AMD will gradually transition all of its desktop processors to socket AM3 over the next few years, so investing now could save you a bit of hassle later on. While upgrading to DDR3 has been a daunting prospect in the past, memory prices have dropped dramatically and modules are basically at parity with DDR2 RAM now. The 785GM-E65 will accommodate up to 16GB of DDR3-800/1066/1333MHz memory, however the real firepower comes with the Radeon HD 4200 integrated graphics processor. This IGP is the next evolution of the Radeon HD 3200, adding support for DirectX 10.1 and Shader Model 4.1 graphics. The guts of the Radeon HD 4200 IGP are made up of 40 stream processors that run at a core clock of 500MHz, so while this is still an IGP (expect integrated graphics performance, not a miracle), AMD claims it can handle some "mainstream" gaming. To this end the MSI 785GM-E65 has also been equipped with 128MB of DDR3-1333 Sideport memory as a performance cache, and on top of that the GPU can be overclocked too. PCSTATS will be putting those claims to the test a little later on in this review.

MSI 785GM-E65 Motherboard and AMD 785G Chipset Review PART 3

Category: Motherboard

Added: 19 October 2009

Motherboard IGP Benchmarks: 3DMark Vantage, FEAR

Futuremark 3DMark Vantage 1.0.1	Source: FutureMark

3DMark06 is the worldwide standard in advanced 3D game performance benchmarking. A fundamental tool for every company in the PC industry as well as PC users and gamers, 3DMark06 uses advanced real-time 3D game workloads to measure PC performance using a suite of DirectX 9 3D graphics tests, CPU tests, and 3D feature tests. 3DMark06 tests include all new HDR/SM3.0 graphics tests, SM2.0 graphics tests, AI and physics driven single and multiple cores or processor CPU tests and a collection of comprehensive feature tests to reliably measure next generation gaming performance today.

Futuremark 3DMark Vantage 1.0.1
Performance Overall: (P)	Points	Ranking
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3814
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3854
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3714
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3730
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3847
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard HD 3300 video)	0
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	7308
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	287
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	7299
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	287
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3654
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ Onboard HD 3200 Video	0
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3335
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard nF 750a video)	0
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF 8200 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3702
GPU score:	Points	Ranking
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3598
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3621
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3194
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3208
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3191
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard HD 3300 video)	0
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	5674
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	216
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	6565
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	217
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3575
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ Onboard HD 3200 Video	0
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3172
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard nF 750a video)	0
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF 8200 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3580
CPU score:	Points	Ranking
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	4653
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	4776
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	0
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	7257
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	7289
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	0
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3921
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard HD 3300 video)	0
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	10994
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	10942
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	10982
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	10880
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3914
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ Onboard HD 3200 Video	0
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3938
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard nF 750a video)	0
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF 8200 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	3910

Thanks to proper DirectX 10.1 support, we finally have IGPs that won't fail 3DMark Vantage's benchmark. The MSI 785GM-E65 manages only 287 3DMarks on its own though, so it's still got some ways to go before you'll be able to play DX10 games on an integrated motherboard.

Sierra FEAR 1.08	Source: Sierra

FEAR is Sierra's latest first person shooter which relies heavily on DirectX 9 features. With its "Soft Shadows" feature enabled, even the fastest videocards run at a crawl, FEAR is definitely the new benchmark for future FPS games to follow.

Sierra FEAR 1.08
Maximum 1024x768:	Points	Ranking
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	133
Intel DG45ID (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	9
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	133
Asus P5Q-EM (Intel G45 200/800 C2D E6750 Onboard G45 )	11
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	121
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	13
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS 320MB)	120
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 onboard HD 3300 video)	13
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	118
Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard HD 3300 video)	12
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	171
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	10
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	172
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE IGP HD 4200)	10
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	156
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ Onboard HD 3200 Video	8
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	163
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ Onboard Video)	4
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	121
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard nF 750a video)	6
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF 8200 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	128
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF 8200 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ onboard GF 8200 video)	19

The 500MHz Radeon HD 4200 that graces the MSI 785GM-E65 is a little faster than its predecessor, the 500MHz Radeon HD 3200 of the AMD 780G chipset. However the overclocked (700MHz) Radeon 3300 IGP found in the AMD 790GX chipset still trumps every other AMD chipset.

Of course, none of these integrate graphics processors are capable of playing FEAR on their own.

MSI 785GM-E65 Motherboard and AMD 785G Chipset Review PART 2

Category: Motherboard

Added: 19 October 2009

Motherboard Benchmarks: Test System Specs & SYSmark 2007

Prelude to Testing

The details of how the MSI 785GM-E65 motherboard test system was configured for benchmarking; the specific hardware, software drivers, operating system and benchmark versions is indicated below. In the second column are the general specs for the reference platforms this AMD 785G based motherboard is to be compared against. Please take a moment to look over PCSTATS test system configurations before moving on to the individual benchmark results on the next page.

PCSTATS Test System Configurations

	Test System	Reference System #1	Reference System #2	Reference System #3
Processor:	AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition (AM3)	AMD Phenom X3 720 BE (AM3)	AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+ (AM2)	Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 (775)
Clock Speed:	16 x 200 MHz = 3.2 GHz	14 x 200 MHz = 2.8 GHz	13 x 200 MHz = 2.6 GHz	8 x 333 = 2.66GHz
Motherboard:	MSI 785GM-E65* (AMD 785G) Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H (AMD 785G) Gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H (AMD 785G) ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo* (AMD 785G) Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX)	ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX / AM3) ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX / AM2+)	ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G) Biostar TF8200 A2+ (Geforce 8200) Foxconn A690GM2MA (AMD 690G) Foxconn A7DA-S (AMD 790GX) Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a)	Intel DG45ID (Intel G45) ASUS P5Q-EM (Intel G45)
Videocard:	ASUS ENGTS250 DK	MSI NX8800GTS-T2D320E-HD-OC
Memory:	2x 2GB Corsair XMS3-1600C9 (DDR3) 2x 1024MB Corsair Twin2X2048-6400C4	2x 1024MB Corsair Twin2X2048-6400C4 2x 1024MB Patriot PDC32G1600LLK		2x 1024MB Corsair Twin2X2048-8888C4DF
Hard Drive:	74GB Western Digital Raptor WD740
CDROM:	ASUS BC-1205PT-BD Blu-Ray Drive
Monitor (1080p):	ASUS MK241 24" HD LCD
PowerSupply:	PC Power & Cooling TurboCool 750W
Heatsink:	AMD socket AM2 Reference Heatsink			Intel Reference
Software Setup:	Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate ATi Catalyst 9.4 ATI Catalyst 8.634 BETA* nVIDIA Forceware 185.85	Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate ATi Catalyst 9.1 nVIDIA Forceware 169.25
Benchmarks:	SYSMark 2007 Preview SiSoft Sandra 2009 PCMark Vantage 3DMark06 3DMark Vantage FEAR Call of Juarez Crysis

SYSmark2007 Preview 1.05	Source: Bapco

SYSmark 2007 Preview is an application-based benchmark that reflects usage patterns of business users in the areas of Video creation, E-learning, 3D Modeling and Office Productivity. This new release includes a robust and refreshed set of applications. The new release also incorporates numerous new features and enhancements such as an improved GUI allowing streamlined start-up and run along with a heads-up-display (HUD) and automated error reporting.

SYSMark 2007 1.04
Overall:	Points	Ranking
Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X4 955BE GF GTS250)	144
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	135
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	138
Foxconn A7DA-S (790GX 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	99
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom 955BE GTS 250)	156
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	160
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	91
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 GF 8800TS)	100
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	95
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF8200 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	103
E-Learning:	Points	Ranking
Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X4 955 GF GTS250)	155
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	147
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	144
Foxconn A7DA-S (790GX 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	97
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom 955BE GTS 250)	149
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	161
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	95
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 GF 8800TS)	96
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	90
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF8200 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	94
Videocreation:	Points	Ranking
Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X4 955 GF GTS250)	113
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	106
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	128
Foxconn A7DA-S (790GX 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	107
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom 955BE GTS 250)	166
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	160
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	102
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 GF 8800TS)	98
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	101
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF8200 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	106
Productivity:	Points	Ranking
Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X4 955 GF GTS250)	141
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	138
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	132
Foxconn A7DA-S (790GX 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	90
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom 955BE GTS 250)	135
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	142
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	88
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 GF 8800TS)	117
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	86
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF8200 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	107
3D:	Points	Ranking
Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P (AMD 790FX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X4 955 GF GTS250)	175
ASUS M4A78T-E (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	151
ASUS M3A78-T (AMD 790GX 200/1066 AM3 Phenom II X3 720 GF 8800GTS)	152
Foxconn A7DA-S (790GX 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	105
MSI 785GM-E65 (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom 955BE GTS 250)	176
ASUS M4A785TD-V Evo (AMD 785G 200/1066 AM3 Phenom X4 955BE GTS 250)	178
ECS A780GM-A (AMD 780G 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	102
Foxconn A690GM2MA-RS2H (AMD 690G 200/800 GF 8800TS)	106
Biostar Tpower N750 (NF 750a 200/800 AM2 X2 5000+ GF 8800GTS 320MB)	103
Biostar TF8200 A2+ (GF8200 200/800 GF 8800GTS)	106

The MSI 785GM-E65 motherboard does quite well here, although not as well as the Asus M4A785TD-V Evo. The speedy Phenom II 955 Black Edition processor was also used in the Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P, but the AMD 785G chipset was able to pull ahead overall, and particularly in Video Creation mode.

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